Each year members profess 16 articles of faith that include the original five points of fundamentalismthe literal truth of divinely inspired scripture, the Virgin Birth and deity of Christ, substitutionary atonement through Christ, the Resurrection, and the Second Coming of Christ. 4. Our church stresses the importance of listening to music that is Christ-honoring and doesnt sound like war as the music mentioned while worshiping the golden calf in the Old Testament (inspired Scripture) I have heard people argue that a certain type of dress is more attractive to the world, or woman wearing dresses sets them apart as being different. History records the members of this Baptist church went back to England or remained in Holland and joined Mennonites. http://www.av1611.org/ this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. The Baptist bases his authority solely on the Bible itself. The IFBs always point fingers at the Catholics, but the Baptist faith is loaded with the traditions of men, I guess its kind of hard to escape. Filter Churches. I would either be kicked out or asked to put on something to wear. But not all Baptist churches are that way! From http://procinwarn.com/ccclergy.htm: Most people do not realize that Calvary Chapel church organizations are not, themselves, affiliated with the original Calvary Chapel in Costa Mesa, California. The bulk of your comments were about the historical background of the Church of Christ movement. List your KJV Bible Believing Church for FREE! In fact, no church on earth can make that claim. A side note, my sons group In Search Of Reason has been selected to play for CreationFest this year. I understand all that. But it seems bottom line the wealth & sacrifce of it to kingdom building remains the same. Church Directory Sub-pages. It sounds like you believe that we are not required to tithe, but somehow we are better off if we do? . (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. The Scripture: It is entirely inerrant and sufficient for all Christian life. PASTOR PAUL DYCK. You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. Of all my favorite things to do now that Im out of that situation, is raise my hands and praise my precious Saviour when He stirs my heart. Tithing is still a required act in obedience just like loving the Lord thy God and loving thy neighbor as thyself is. In answer your assumptions about me. And Im so glad for the Great Is Thy Faithfulness versefavorite song! No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day., Based on the Word of God, I submit to you that Gods plan will not be thwarted because I fail to do something. Individuals may also seek membership, and those who do are usually ministers, missionaries, Bible teachers, evangelists, editors of Christian periodicals, or students. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. Thus, the name independent means that the church patterns itself after the New Testament example and stands alone under the authority of the Bible. He preserved His word and the Word preserved a true Gospel witness during every moment of history since Pentecost. It seems like in the church I personally attended, that the powertrip I saw actually stemmed from a total lack of outside maturity from the church in general. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception. The word Fundamental means that the Baptist church uses the New Testament strictly as its authority for faith (doctrine) and practice. But we need YOUR help to make this project successful! Many men have suffered and given their fortunes and their lives to hold the name in truth. I posted my last post like 3 days ago and it just came up recently. I do dislike what seems to be human effort in trying to do what only the Spirit of God can do through a clear presentation of the word of God. One can be feed, clothed , housed & grow up lost & will die but the Gospel offers Eternal Life! Im not sure what the Word of God sais about dress. The new testament says Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. that pretty much destroys the idea of someone being forced to give. Someone, somewhere has hurt you. I am not trying to be overly critical and yet I only have a certain amt of time to get to my points and while doing that I often come across that way, so forgive me. I request any comment left to me is free of insults and vulgarities, please). He then baptized himself (which is not biblical) and then the others of his congregation. I agree! It certainly isnt about our adherance to a set of manmade rules. This was the first time in the history of the world that a government was established which granted religious freedom! It is the Lords tithe, and God chose to use his tithe in the OT and in the NT for the maintenance of the priesthood (those that are called out for the specific service of God in ministering to the Lord and to the people on behalf of the Lord) and the maintenance of the house of God a place wherein Gods people assemble for the purpose of worship (honoring) the Lord. What Is An Independent Fundamental Baptist? PASTOR JOE MINNERUP. When it's Time To Leave Thoughts on Breaking Away, 73. I have transferred schools and since then Ive had to find a new church. Such as The Church of Christ? This group is to help Pastors locate KJV IFB Churches. Alsoas in regargds to whom Jesus spoke to (they were Phairsees)I dont think that matters, the Phairsee just happened to be the ones constantlty questioning & troubling Himas well as were the Religious Leaders of that day whom example was probally looked at by others to follow (note Jesus: Do the things that they teach, Jesus said, But do not do the things that they do). About. 2 Corinthians 9:6 Prosperity Giving Deception, 76. These people give Jesus and Christianity overall a black eye every time they go to a military funeral or any other event they have absolutely no respect for. His crime was that rejected the unbiblical ideas of a state church, infant baptism and other false teachings of the Puritans. Any professed church that does not recognize these is Apsotasy & not the Church. Also, as a Southern Baptist, I am wondering if your fifth distinctive disqualifies my congregation, since we are members of the Southern Baptist Convention. They were just outside of the resort area on the beach at night and were stopped by a group of policemen. Join us for lively old-fashioned singing, fellowship, (and yes!) (1 Tim. mint, rue and all manner of herbs all agricultural products from the land. 78. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, fellowship of conservative, independent Christian churches stressing biblical truth. You are doing exactly what Mark 7:7 speaks against, you are teaching false doctrines and commandments of men. Im calling into question yourreasoning as to why you are defending your belief about tithing. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. As many theologians saywe can agree to disagree on some things but when it comes to the Fundamental of the Christian Faithbased on by the way what God says in the Word, then thats when one should draw the line b/c its no longer a matter of Christians in various fellowships & preferances that are allowable but then becomes a matter of even being a Christian at all (like Mormonisn, Jehovahs Wittness, Catholics, etc). I appreciate your stand for the cause of Christ, and remember always to rely on the blessed Word of God to lead and guide you, there will be times perhaps, when someone you really look up to is promoting ideas that are not biblical and yet they try to use the bible to convince you of their veracity. Im trying to figure out if it was worse of me for not using scripture to answer your question, which btw is not a question that required scripture, or yanking a handful of verses completely out of context as you did. Pastors Deserve Double Salary? That local body of baptized believers would be as valid a true New Testament church as any church Christ ever founded. I would like comment on each trait if you dont mind: Clearly, he was banished because he believed in religious freedom and believed and taught the New Testament was a believers sole source for his faith and practice. That made them in the eyes of God as legitimate a church as any Paul founded. Well last night the first speaker, spoke on Hell, he said not many preach on Hell anymore (yea, right!) Praise the Lord she started going back to church recently. As for relating to other denominations and Catholocs, I believe that that is also harmful if one is not strong enough in their faith. No tithing is not mandated, no good work is..just as no good work can save us. When and Where Was the First Recorded Baptist Church in History, The Beginnings of the Baptists in America, https://www.wayoflife.org/free_ebooks/hyles_effect.php, http://www.wvec.com/news/local/INSIDE-A-NAKED-CHURCH-85062392.html, You Might Be an Independent Fundamental Baptist if, Broad Stroking and Sweeping Generalizations Fallacy, Harold Camping Fails to Predict the Rapture, The 10 Commandments of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, 92-Year-Old Woman Kicked Out of Church for not Tithing. When people ask me what church I am a member of, I always tell them the Heavenly Church, wherever and whoever that is. You either comply or you are thrown out. Jesus Peace, Joy, and Guidance be with us all. They do not accept that authority was given to any particular man, pope, prophet, group or church on earth to be the means of the salvation of men. 2 Timothy 2:24, And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient. . I began my spiritual walk with Jesus studying the New Testament, but my journey through the Old Testament only reinforced my belief in the New and showed me more about God. There was no hierarchy in the churches he founded, which were patterned after the simple New Testament example. Greg, @greg The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. As for being responsible to share the gospel with those whom God has put in our path; our daily life should show we are different by our character and the way we live. A person can rightly take pride in truthfully bearing the name Baptist. Its beginning charter reads as follows: We whose names are hereunder written, being desirous to inhabit ourselves in active and passive obedience to all such orders or agencies as shall be made for the public good of the body in an orderly way, by the major consent of the present inhabitants, masters of families, incorporated together into the same, only in civil things.. So, I guess we are not all as rigid as one would believe from some comments. We dress however we want, however, my Pastor chides me in good nature, because I frequently wear black clothing, but he is not being critical. Drinkers go to the next town to buy their drinks. I wish you well in your new school and church. I humbly asked a question. These first Baptist churches formed in England were Armenian in theology, which taught that all men could be saved. It is the Word of God, the Bible, that makes up what is a real and true church! No, we are to teach and preach the Word. 7.) Being to poor to pay the fines he was banished from the colony. The person, John the Baptist. Any way dont want to lie on any church. Select church size. [CDATA[ KJV Independent, Fundamental Baptist Churches in the USA . We can clearly see the Spirit of God in your gracious post. Particular Baptist had their beginnings around 1616, when some dissenters left the Church of England and were lead by the Rev. That coupled with your seeming lack of spiritual maturity will make for an interesting combination. 1:6-10, 1 Tim. They write new content and verify and edit content received from contributors. America needs great Independent Baptist churches again. This kind of power is frightening to meet with. If other will share. The Bible and only the Bible reveals to men how to have their sins forgiven and have everlasting life and heaven. She eventually left because my uncle (divorced numerous times himself), rode her case about it. The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. A response to Pastor James Meltons Questions for the KJV Critics, 69. Thanks for any love shown but what you just did Kaatie was take a few lines I wrote and placed them within your own ideaand that is know as taking something out of context . I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. In 1631, he arrived in Boston. So just these few examples demonstrate why many people, including me have a hard time understanding this ancient translation. If it isnt to much trouble please explain your assertion. Protestants have never accepted the principle of separation of church and state. You cannot read psalms w/out seeing those raised hands. adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. Like I alluded to earlier most folks dont study their bible, and many do so with preconceived ideas, please have a look at your churchs stance on these issues according to scripture and see if Thomas Campbell is right about these things. I believe that the King James Version is the inspired, preserved Word of God for the English speaking people The word Independent means that the church is not a member of any council, convention or is a part of any hierarchy outside the local congregation. I doubt I would be allowed to wear Just a Speedo to any Church on a regular basis. The study of Gods word deserves more time than this life holds. He was talking about ceremonial law not moral law I think you are confusing those two. Gossips offer plausible deniability. Lack of pastoral accountability is not the problem. It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. Virginia was especially harsh in religious persecutions. It cannot be stated too often that the importance of these churches was not in their name, but in what they believed and practiced. I dont know what you are referring to by saying they dont use the O.T.? I already estb basis of why Tithing I believe is good (must read all post under Lynne). I attend an Independent Baptist church and Ill answer your questions Im sure you realize all this, but I thought I would throw my voice in it. I appreciate your response, I am especially glad to hear that your mother has returned to the church. I believe the all scripture is given. passage to include the Old Testament, too. A preacher told me once we were not to judge, but that we were to be fruit inspectors. The Puritans were in control of the colonies and in fact had set up a theocracy in which the Puritan church governed both secular and religious affairs. The more and more that I looked into it and studied the scripture, I realized not only were they wrong they were *completely* wrong about tithing, in fact, they didnt have a clue, and this was the standard teaching throughout the IFB. Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. The sole authority for any true church is Gods Word and not it founder, or its heritage. IndependentBaptist.com was founded in an attempt to bring back the principles that lifted our movement in the 60's and 70's and that need to be revived in this day. The form contains many questions about doctrine and philosophy of ministry. It is often said that the Protestant Reformation had both a formal cause and a material cause. Christians under the grace economy give out thankfulness to God for what Christ has done for them, without any compulsion. Grace Independent Chapel Size: Medium church 126 Airport Rd Shamokin, PA. Loving Fellowship Baptist Church . Not sure where to post this so lets try here. In fact, I have no close friends that attend the same church as me. When a congregation results from the preaching of the Gospel, authenticating that congregation as a New Testament church rests solely on its doctrine and practice.not in its affiliation. Before the America won its independence and the Constitution became law, the Episcopal church, which was the American branch of the Church of England, was the only legal church in Virginia. A couple of things to consider here, first he was speaking to Pharisees, and they were in fact still under law. I respect a church that weloclmes being a part of my tithe but does not mandate that I do. I have spoken to my pastor about this, and he insists that its fine for me as a parishioner to come as I am, but he as a pastor should be dressed alittle better, I told him if that is a personal conviction that is fine, but did he have any scripture to support that, of course he didnt. Would someone be frowned upon if they used another translation of the bible in your church besides the KJV translation? Nope, dont see that. We give out of thankfulness to God for what Christ has accomplished as we are led by the Spirit. when the apostle Peter was fishing he stripped and was naked while he was fishing (John 21:7). I would agree with this. I meant to say that I agree that the IFB has strict dress standards. Puritan churches persecuted the Baptists in America until the U. S. Constitution was made the law of the land in 1787. I have never dressed up for a Church Service and I think people should come how they want. I really have an issue with this point. amzn_assoc_placement = "adunit0"; amzn_assoc_tracking_id = "lifewaymarket-20"; amzn_assoc_ad_mode = "manual"; amzn_assoc_ad_type = "smart"; amzn_assoc_marketplace = "amazon"; amzn_assoc_region = "US"; amzn_assoc_linkid = "7e0c08952d33ff8dd3379356ab6731f1"; amzn_assoc_asins = "1479180297,B00A4SKJXG,1250026261,0830816607,0809134888,0884197689,B00X531UN0,0877888256,0764205374"; amzn_assoc_title = "BaptistDeception.com Book Club Picks"; Two champions of religious liberty were the Virginians Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry. May The Lord bless us, and keep us: The Lord make his face shine upon us, and be gracious unto us: The Lord lift up his countenance upon us, and give us peace. I was always told ten percent and thats I give for the most part unless I cant afford it in which case I give what I can. Others have to a lesser degree compromised the Word of God by their teaching, practices and church polity trying to confront to popular religious tends. It bases its belief in the New Testament teaching that every believer is a priest to himself, having full excess to God without the need to go through a church, church leader or priest. when I said I hear a lot that the IFB has strict dress standards. I grew up in a Catholic church and boarding school, then was taken out and placed into Lutheran surroundings. In fact the Roman Church can only trace its history back to 313 AD when the Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity a legal religion. In 1678, shortly after the church had erected a new building, the Puritan controlled government nailed its doors shut and forbade anyone under penalty of the law to enter or worship there. No new testament christian anywhere in scripture, that I know of, is compelled to give a tithe. Look at Ezekiel 33. This is just too weird for me to not comment on. Hear personal testimonies and watch missionary slideshows with RealAudio narratives. The Puritans did not believe in such things and they drove him from their colony. Found you after all this time!!! Many Baptist churches have Trustees, but their position was established in order to have legal signatories to sign legal documents of the church. Tithing was never required for anyone except Jews who lived under the Mosaic economy. Soul liberty is a belief that everyone is responsible to God individually. There are a number of other wrong teachings w/in this church but the false teaching about baptism is far and away the biggest, some of the others are, not believing in eternal security, and close behind is not believing that one can know that you are saved. Believers are not set apart by the clothing they wear so much as their conduct, character, and lifestyle. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man . Some Baptists such as the Landmark Baptist and those often referred to as I assume you are referring to the errant position that many Pastors, Deacons, or Elders have taken placing themselves between God & Man. So I wonder again is this God desire or your thing? Ok so he starts attempting to pull the heart strings about loved ones that you are around daily, and if you are telling them enough about getting saved etc. Will you join us? Thanks for your response. (II Peter 1:20) Baptist believe you do not have to be a Baptist in order to be saved and have eternal life, but a person must believe the Gospel as revealed in the New Testament. Baptists Briders, infer they can trace their history back to John the Baptist who was the first Baptist. It became an independent church in 1746. Well originally Abraham initiated giving a tenth of his to the priest in the Melchizdeak order which was a type of Christ I believe. To fulfill something as in Jesus fulfilled the law means that it is satisfied, meaning that it is no longer needed. As a matter of fact, you cannot be a member of a Calvary Chapel. No one in USA at least (whether IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, MOST CHURCHES, etc) tithe on all belongings at they practiced thier & our money/wealth/argicultural exchange & system is very different. Now I am in full agreement with you that we should support our places of worship with our monetary gifts, but a mandatory tithe for new testament christians? This means that IFB churches do not look to creeds, confessions, or church councils to determine their doctrinal positions. Also in regards to the restcommon sense is you give according to how you deal with your values ,etc. But the police proceeded to arrest them and throw them in jail. It is believed that God meant what he said in Revelation 22:18, the Scriptures were not to added to or taken from. They left these churches because of their strong conviction the Word of God should not be compromised. Some Baptist churches believe in a succession of Baptist churches who passed down the authority to baptize and give the Lords Supper. Examples: Billy Graham, Promise Keepers. I believe it is almost impossible to grow to a complete relationship with God without knowing his nature. The natural question then to ask is, What makes a person a true Baptist? In examining the history of Baptists and determining what makes up a genuine and true Baptist, five distinctives should be noted. THE BEGINNINGS OF THE BAPTISTS IN AMERICA. This is the true heritage the Fundamental Baptists holds dear, there have always been assemblies which submitted themselves only to the sole authority of the Word of God. John was beheaded by Herod (Matt. If you dont already, try it some time. The charge recorded against him was that he broached and divulged new and dangerous opinions against the authority of the magistrates. @greg There is not one Protestant church that is doctrinally pure following the example and polity of the New Testament.