We were just kids after all. We were all changed in these places to a varying degree, but does anyone really think these places actually helped? Other than the wolf dog and the couple of friends I made, that place was a nightmare. Colton Stoneman. I was in spring creek in 1998. They put us through seminars that were some weird brain washing bullshit. I remember a few weeks in once it REALLY sank in I lost it. SPRINGWATER RANCH: Features Intersected (Location): BCH OF CAMPBELLS CREEK (SEC 14 T 3N R 4E B) Year Built: 1983: Year Reconstructed: . I pretty much lived in level 2 up to this point just so I could have condiments on my food. I lost a lot of my innocence out there. ? Located in the upper Blackfoot Valley near the gateway into the Bob Marshall Wilderness, the 1,185 acre Nevada Spring Creek Ranch features a dynamic blend of water resources including over 5 miles of a restored Spring Creek, nearly 6 miles of Nevada Creek--a major tributary of the upper Blackfoot River--and hundreds of acres of pristine wetland habitat. She is 15 years old. Continue to be happy, take care of the young ones and the wife, and be thankful. I loved working with the students and trying to help them work through their problems and difficult situations. In all fairness, Mike Linderman was one of the only people affiliated with that program with a college degree, and a decent heart. No wonder you enjoyed your time there. I remember a big Samoan guy stealing my clothes (never got them back), stealing the Mountain Dew can I got for Christmas, and hitting me and slapping me to wake me up in the middle of the night, telling me walk without shoes into a van outside in the snow, to be driven to Montana from Utah. But at the same time I didnt go out of my way to try to ruin anything for the rest of my family.once they brought us down to do those crazy ceromony things I cant even remember what there called because I left after the first day. My parents spent over $100,000 to keep me at Scl when they never even went to visit the place to begin with. Mike was my therapist for over 2 years. The more eyes on this the more this facility will have a spotlight on them. I am so surprised even now seeing the names of the girls from Serenity that I dont remember them. By accepting our use of cookies, your data will be aggregated with all other user data. If they have religious affiliation they are untouchable. I felt desperate and wanted to fix the problem. I was one of the first to show up in 96.i remember all you guys. . You should head over to the kiss wwasps ass forums. Whether or not there was any truth in this, it inspired me. I took off on foot the first time because I could hear a train horn in the distance so I thought I would try to jump on it and go whatever way it took me and I will figure out my next move whenever I got the fuck away from those assholes. I cant believe the place made it that long.I feel bad for any kid that had to go there. We actually spent time in the lodge where it was warm and dry. I never progressed past level because i had a hard time not looking or talking to the girls. Tom, you had to be one of those stick in the ass junior staff. Before I left, Karlye and I were working on goals. We both made lists and crossed them off as we accomplished them. Yet he, allegedly a licensed therapist and thus a mandated reporter, failed to report said abuse, making him not only a garbage human being, but also guilty of breaking the mandated reporting law and an abettor of the abuse himself. Our rare trips to the little library (which I was usually barred from attending) were depressing. Some kids that I knew stayed for years. I can go on about countless abuses, countless neglect, countless trauma. She was defeated and tired. Attended in 2004 part of unity, this place had a major affect on his life just curious if anyone remembers him or could help me understand if he went through anything that maybe he doesnt want to share.. One of the lady guides finally sighed ,For goodness sake! Why? If you have difficulty accessing content, have difficulty viewing a file on the website, or notice any accessibility problems, please contact us at 833.982.1964 to specify the nature of the accessibility issue and any assistive technology you use. I was like a family hero after that. i tried to run away once, but it was just with one other girl. As a staff member I was discouraged by the facility to form friendships with the girls. I met someone at physical therapy one day and I over heard him say I hate myself I asked him why he said it and he said he was sent to a horrible program where they tell you and make you believe that you hate yourself. I saw the special treatment given to girls that had been there too long in order to speed up their graduation. It is a unique spring creek for the fact that you could practically . I thought this was a school? I have ptsd, severe anxiety, insomnia, intermittent explosive disorder andb severe depression and i believe its all from there. I hoped that was true. Idk if anybody ever looks at this shit anymore, as 20 years in the past comes and goes. Its dangerous out here, are her parents in the loop and on their way?? I was in Serenity from 1999-2002. Im even getting a psych degree in six months. what a load of crap that is NOT what went on..That was a program meant for kids that needed tough guidance.. Horror stories from the incoming junior staff from Samoaone guy said they locked him a trunk and floated him at sea, then threw rocks at the trunk while he was inside of it. Its far in the rear view now and more than success stories, I see shattered spirits and people never able to function. Spring Creek Elk Ranch. This place was hell and would not wish it on anyone. I was telling him how Im never gonna give up on getting out of there and he helped me come up with a plan. And the instructors just allowed it to happen saying they needed to blow off some steam. I remember 18 year old activities going to the local grocery and Every one of us buying a fat steak and watching a movie in the trailer. Everyday for a year and a half. He was assigned to be my shadow and he had been there for 13 months or something and was almost out of there but he was still the same person that arrived there just faking it to get out of there. It talking to my parents I watched countless times as fellow students were beat and neglected in the hobbit there was one student who they sent to the hobbit every day I hope the kids who were abused win there case if this place was still open I would run up in that camp and take shit over I was in respect sept through December, Moderated ? I was on lockdown; I had no rights and could not leave. Call it Jargon if you want, but there really are 2 types of people in this World, Givers and Takers, and there is no Wrong or Right, just Things that Work, and Things that Dont. I just wanted to survive and not stand out. Sites are picked on a first come first serve basis upon arrival. Theres no family left. It is adjacent to Spring Creek among cottonwoods, ponderosa pine, juniper and aspens in a riparian environment. I am looking for information on Raoul Ribeiro, he worked as a therapist at SCL in the early 2000s, under Linderman. I soon learned that I could not call my parents. But I dont want to waste your time. Hey. If you would participate in our goal of shutting these places down for good, you will be helping your daughter and thousands more like her. Do you honestly think Mike Linderman is all that bad? Damn that hell hole. Did any girl ever have anything similar happen to them? Her mother would be scared shitless if she knew what possible dangers were out here. Copyright 2021 Spring Creek Campground - All Rights Reserved. I was in Dignity, and I remember a lot of shit that happened there. They did everything in their power to show they had complete control over you. Looking back we were just kids and the most important time of a young mans life his adolescence. If you talked in line it was a T.O.S. The large amount of faster water is often a bonus when fishing a spring creek since the trout have a bit less time to inspect our flies. Let them suffer from whatever actions they might create for themselves. but if hes anything like me. So this isnt my real name. Finally they kicked me out. This corner of Montana is limitless when it comes to outdoor recreation, and the Beaverhead valley is home to some of the best waterfowl hunting in the state. Livingston, Montana | Park County. I was in Thompson falls in 2003 when I was 16 I was taken in the nigh and spent 4 months. Good job!!! Yep just had a nightmare I was there again woke up feeling sick and not wanting to go back to sleep. Hopefully hell continue doing what hes been doing for the last ten years flying around the world on blood money and watching his emanciated baby factory of a wife try to run marathons til she falls over dead. All the buildings are still there. I think I remember Megan. Alex. Anyway, hope you guys are all doing good, I think of you all from time to time. Based on your results you have exactly what you intended.. BOOK NOW (406) 932-4387 CLOSED FOR THE SEASON. In between the two I spent about a month a house on a lake with a loaded kitchen snakcks everywhere freedom. They were shown they could have a little power over others and ran with it and for the majority of them came across to me as kids that didnt really belong in any sort of place like this. No one knew what to expect. Live well and prosper when you finish your stint. I am totally against peer on peer displine because upper level assholes are corrupt as hell. This area is renowned for its stunning vistas, including the towering Tobacco Root, Ruby, Highlands and Pioneer mountain ranges. Id like to connect and talk about your experience more if you are up to it? How is that for tender loving care ?!?) Eternity 1998!! I had already seen where parents had decided to take their kids back and the school PUT THE KIDS OUT. We have a group on Facebook: WWASP Survivors. Ranch Size This ranch contains 2290 +/- deeded acres with 3miles of meandering Big Spring Creek. They only cared about money. They had went from being a prestigious boarding school with a student body of over 500, to nothing more than a run down academy with very few staff and only a handful of students. If yall been to Jamaica YOU would honestly be greatful for. Murdoch and wife, Jerry Murdoch, bought the 340,000-acre working Montana ranch from Matador Cattle Co., a subsidiary of Koch . They could have structured a program that actually helped the majority of the kids there Instead they were a cash grab desensitized werdio group of muppeteers that used some weird ass point/level system off of bizarre seminars for days on end where you had to do shit that if you walked up to anyone in there right mind would tell you youre nuts if you participate in something like that. But not worth letting them tear me down emotionally like that. I was dropped of at a homeless shelter on my 18th b-day. I had nightmares for years anxiously trying to escape the place I call hell. I then began my life in the program. Redeem available rewards of your choice. Id love to find more of you and preferably more optimistic but I fully understand if bad experiences happened. It was insane, and when I left as a confused very immature 16 year old boy, I felt guilty for not figuring out a way to rescue my brothers whos parents had not been quick in catching up to the scam. Thursday afternoon: Im below the bridge that crosses the Clark Fork river watching our railroad crews. i do not know your husband and i didnt went too this place but i had a similar experience elsewhere in europe when i was a teen. figured he was one of the good guys. I returned with dreads and a weird tan and I smelled like crap and had to shower like 5 times (Thats 15 minutes in total, woohoo). I looked up an article and saw Browning Distance learning affiliated with KenKay but upon trying to call, the number is no longer in service : ( I left a voicemail with the department of education for the state of MT, havent heard back. Cascade school for a year and a half til I told em to just take me to juvy cause I was done with the BS. MLS ID #2497935. When I got to the bottom there was a river that was a 100 yards wide. They meant to make us weak and docile through shock. Which was nothing because you did the same shit everyday. Moose, Bighorn sheep and Rocky Mountain goat are also found in the area. Feel free to reach out if you would like, my email is scott_wayze@yahoo.com, I was in integrity family all I know is that place saved my life . How weird I was.. just trying to never go back I did it all. I was there from dec 05 dec 07. Many avid anglers, however, enjoy bringing their own gear. We got in trouble for looking at girls, Tom. (john H, Myles, Eugene..etc) what a trip ANd all of your stories are hauntingly familiar.times and memories i had locked up deep down to forget about i mean what good did gravel pit do? I have since married and had three children, and can say I am pretty happy in my life. I tried finding you when j got out but couldnt. I was transported to Distant Drums in Nephi, UT and spent about 6 weeks there. I was there from 2001-2003. Another horrible practice was where they would have girls talk in public about their rape and then have everyone yell obscenities like whore you deserved it slut. my name is ben. THANK YOU!!! Hello Fellow Survivors, All this being said, I DO want to visit someday. That place SUCKED and i would never put my children in something like this. not a moment to soon. Hell is hot and Thompson Falls was coldyet they were hard to tell apart at times. My boyfriend was in Spring Creek Lodge for 10 months in 96 and 97. I looked at them and looked at Brandy. They would work everyone into a frenzy with some hypothetical horror show and play that song and have someone come around and nance around everyone in some contrived attempt to elicit some false sense of security and happiness within the program. He called his family first they told him that if he doesnt go back to program he couldnt go home. Thanks, I was in wisdom with cliff. Pants are dirty. What a creep show those seminars were. Hence the name 5mo because I had 5 more years till I was 18 and no one saw me graduating. If my child ever reads this I want her to know that I am sorry. I remember Jenna, illiona,Jennifer My madanname Wilson. I was also in quest. These people are acting like a bunch of victims and 3 year old kids. Luckily tho, my parents found out about the school from the parents of my brother in law who was still enlrolled. IG @345_2012, hey, this message is for Amanda, not sure if you were expecting a reply, and late for that matter. The service requires full JavaScript support in order to view this website. I was in respect with you. I think the staff knew what I was doing and how I was making it bleed and so they wanted to put me in this position to make me stop. Wow thats weird, whats that connection? I was not going home. sadly there are no shortcuts with problems like this. 450 Beaver Creek West Drive , Big Sky, MT, 59730, Gallatin County DRAMATICALLY REDUCED! Its really disheartening to hear about the shared hopelessness we all felt. Thank God!! My heart goes out to all of you who experienced this place. Tell me why this muthafucking train was flying by at about 60 mph. Many allegations of abuse, as well as Social Services complaints and lawsuits have been leveled at Cameron Pullan and his brother Chaffin Pullan. After sitting in isolation for about 3 weeks I was finally back to my next way out of here. I could have done this as my family married into the Lichfield mafia in Utah I no longer speak to them. Located in the upper Blackfoot Valley near the gateway into the Bob Marshall Wilde. $347,500 dollars later and im worse off then i ever thought or my mom thought id be. I didnt care because I was going home, my ticket was already bought but she had to staybehind. i wrote the above comment as rebecca. It was almost daily that you were in the hobbit.