I learned to drive on the streets of San Francisco with a van as a teenager when my mom wanted me to drive her around. uncommon_sense: I would hope that, by now, you know whether or not the handgun you actually OWN has a firing pin safety. That being said, I also carry a M&P 9mm with one in the chamber. Do you keep a round chambered? | Firearms Talk If you are so uncomfortable with a Glock as a fully loaded and chambered self defense gun, why do you own one? It comes down to your comfort, training and repetitive use. So you are in reality arguing that if someone makes a *negligent mistake*, the Glock is more likely to discharge than another firearm. Just go to there web site, or go to your gun store for more information. It will catch on and you will be a rock star! Carried chambered until the kids came. A 2A focused forum that patronizes a troll like VLAD is as questionable as the NRA in its current form. The 1911 has a grip safety as well as a thumb safety. Being an *untrained* klutz is something entirely different. Thank you very much. One of them is as you describe (a 3-screw Single Six). Carrying On An Empty Chamber. The 223/5.56 is the most common centerfire rifle cartridge in the US. At least the DA/SA or DAO provide a long hard trigger pull. So, there are at least 2 actions required to get a round to fire after removing it from a pocket. Israeli special forces dont empty chamber carry. Since the pin must have considerable energy to fire the primer charge, and then must expend that energy quickly through a sudden stop, it really doesnt matter, because the available object to provide the sudden deceleration needed to drive the pin into the round is almost certainly going to be the ground, and the round must be in line with the inertia, which, if provided by gravity instead of the firearm itself, must be downwards. I wouldnt worry about it. A lot of guns, particularly the early revolvers, were considered too dangerous to carry with a loaded chamber . Empty chamber carry is dumb. My Ruger LCP is carried with one chambered, and in a pocket holster that covers the trigger. They ended up sticking to their story and making a big political deal out of it. Are you my mother? Point the holstered G19 downrange at a target and try to fire it without removing it from the holster. My point is that I see no benefit in limiting my defensive options. It is also the choice of many Canadian cops services. These Glocks have been beat to death and not once has the gun " fired " without some sort of trigger manipulation. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense. I dont condemn those who carry a striker with one in the chamber. As I commented after the previous article, carry so that all you have to do is draw and pull the trigger. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[300,250],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-1','ezslot_3',116,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-1-0');Still, I keep hearing how unsafe Glocks are, from people who have never handled one and essentially know nothing about handguns in general. He thinks one big long post thats all one sentence is not a mistake. The trick is training is to do the right thing; doing the wrong thing is still training, just training the do the wrong thing. In war or a defensive situation, that will get you killed. Apparently the last time it worked. The safety either keeps the trigger from being pulled or blocks the cartridge from being struck by the firing pin so it cant go off. Even though they don't have . I carried it un-chambered for a few weeks till I was comfortable. Mine, of course, is in the latter, and it's held up well to a lot of shooting. the number of people out there who keep a single-action revolver as a home defense or self-defense gun is likely negligible., Not to mention that those idiots have no right to expect anyone to take them seriously. I feel its foolish but its my thought. If soft iwb holster freaks you out then get a nice, quality leather or kydex holster. Id have to go with the DA revolver. . 1; 2; Next. Modern handguns are designed to be carried with a loaded chamber. In the case of a fast draw in a conflict, you dont have time to check, but you still have time to keep your finger out of the trigger guard. Big thing, its hammer fired and its also DA/SA, so I have no problem with chambering a round and lowering the hammer. Now that we know what it means to have one in the chamber, let's figure out whether it is safe to carry a "loaded gun" with you. Thank you very much. and self styled know it alls. Have you ever tried carrying your bolt action on a loaded round with the striker down? And yes, I have done trigger work on 2 of my 3 Glocks. And so it is when carrying a Glock as well. As for me on striker fired Im sure they are just as safe as any other design I just like to see whats going on, . Many people have said, "A Glock doesn't have a safety." In this video, Dustin Winegar demonstrates that the Glock pistol design is actually one of the safest. Seattle is like a miniature version from a driving perspective. In my experience, here in MS, a great many people have a great many home defense firearms of various descriptions. Am I being silly? Best thing you can do is buy a pistol that you can safely carry loaded with one in the chamber. That connected to the trigger, which only dropped out of the way when the trigger was fully pressed. I had the same concerns when I first started to carry my Glock. Never happened yet I would rather shoot myself in the leg but still be in fight than have bad guy shoot me because I didnt have a chambered round. How often do you train your driving abilities? ADs by glockinstine operators usually are extracting their golden goose with or wit out a pocket holster, by placing their finger, as so many comments referred to above, on the trigger upon extraction. Have you ever negligently failed to check your blind spot and cut someone off on the freeway? Even in that highly unlikely scenario, the gun would likely kill them anyway, even without going off, by blunt trauma alone. How The Glock Safety Works - Outdoor Command I'd recommend a Hard Kydex holster like a comp-tac infidel. DA/SA make the most sense to me. I think they heard how bad its getting over here and want to provide a better place to be, so that TTAG will be left with nothing but trolls and snowflakes. The overall size of this firearm is much smaller and that shows with a barrel length of 3.43 inches and a slide length of 6.26 inches. I thing Mossad guys are well trained, just saying. Prices accurate at time of writing. An unchambered gun is a dangerous, useless-to-you half measure. Of course an ND is user error, but why is the gun designed to make that error likely? If you try to have a healthy debate its always 100% of the time NOTHING but internet people telling other internet people that their particular opinion is wrong. As long as you use some sort of holster that covers the trigger, and keep your finger out of the trigger area, leave the 19 in the holster, unless its needed, you wont have a problem. Always eith one in the chamber, hammer down and safety off. While holstering, train yourself to make damn sure theres nothing in the way. 4 under extreme stress you may short stroke it. Some militaries wanted to normalize carrying a pistol or rifle with a loaded chamber for obvious reasons, but they ran into some of these same issues on old guns. Which gun would you choose if you could only have ONE each of: Rimfire rifle, rimfire pistol, centerfire rifle, centerfire pistol, and shotgun? What you are overlooking is the odds. Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. OK, this isnt enough for you? Police departments across the country mocked the NYPD for their accusations and understood that its both trigger happy officers and training issues that lead to problems like that.Glocks two-part trigger is one piece of their internal safety features. That carries over to shooting, believe it or not. When carrying the gun in a holster, the grip safety will keep the gun from discharging, even if the . They like it this way. Check out this post which is one of the most popular of all time. The fix was to add a safety. And thats only firearms. . The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. Or ya know, apply the tried by 12 or carried by 6 rule. The Glock handgun is the favored pistol of law enforcement agencies worldwide. The Glock handgun is the favored handgun of police worldwide. It likewise utilizes a cocking system that is unique amongst striker-fired pistols. Thanks for the tip. As someone from MS you gotta tell me where this full auto shoot was. Id rather they stop production than change a design thats gone on unchanged for as long as it has. On the other hand, most other striker-fired pistols count on the recoil spring to cock the striker. OFC, in an experiment such as DGs above, we have to have that case in some sort of chamber, to hold the round in perfect position in line with the front of the firing pin while some other device provides the inertia to fire. OthersI just didnt think about and for some pretty good reasons. Since its a bookmark and not a save, it will go there and update to the latest info. With hammer fired guns, we have more options to prevent guns from accidently firing. Question: If it lands on its muzzle could it not go out-of-battery? More bad advice, did the author not learn from his first mistake? After all people driving cars kill more people than people holding firearms. I have trained chambering on the draw and while it is less effective it still gives me options. I thought it was just the cops and regulars of the IDF. Im still a believer of an empty gun is just a club. My three-year-old knows that for her bb gun. Glock handguns are extremely personalized, and gun owners have the choice to change out sights and sets off. While I believe training is the answer, its not just fingers that are the problem. It takes a dedicated squeeze of the finger. Do you carry with your Glock chambered? | Glock Pro Forums Those who scream that everybody who doesnt think exactly like them, pick the same options as them, etc., are dumb for not recognizing that they are perfection itself, are just more of the loads of SJW types out for attention by putting everything and everybody down, to make themselves feel a bit better about not having a life. I still counted 16, but when he starts fanning it gets a little hard to keep track. Just the easier reloading of the old Ruger 3 screw models (or any other regular types like the Colt SAA) vs the new ones, makes up for that one extra round, at least IMO. The IDF has quit carrying with a round chambered. All I get is replies that they are working on it. OMG I love those old Fractured Fairy Tales shows! The Best Glocks | American Firearms Many of us brought this issue up at the time Farago sold out. In a prima facie, on-paper, in-theory sense, thats true. The Glock is a semi-automatic pistol that was originally designed by an Austrian manufacturer called Glock Ges.m.b.H in 1982. In my 3-screw, yes. In a SA revolver, the next round is instantly available anyway, whether fully loaded or one short, quicker out of the leather for the first, second, and third shot than any other existing action type. Conceal. Practice your procedure till it becomes a natural reaction without thinking.You will have other things that must be accessed in those fractions of a second. Yes. Those who defend not carrying a round in the chamber preach about it's safety. Seems more in line with your abilities. The initial pull of this trigger performs generally the same function as the thumb safety of a 1911 or single action. (just like some people freakout about a cocked and locked 1911) Rest assured the gun will not go off and shoot you in the ass. Both have pros and cons the secret is you must be well versed to bringing your gun up to the level of lethal quickly. Please note, comments must be approved before they are published. Cycling against objects using your sight is slow and not easily done. I left it in my series 80, but a gunsmith can easily remove it if desired. When I go out without my kids I rack the slide. Then you have the big, scary, single-action magnums by IWI (the BFR) Freedom Arms and custom guns from Jeff Linebaugh. Until I do, its one in the chamber with safety engaged and hammer down on a DA/SA pistol. Glock is known for its proprietary barrel design which is said to provide a better seal between the bullet and barrel, allowing less propellant gas leakage and less bullet deformation. Its just not for me, especially as I get into my golden years. So, as DG said, its a problem in search of a solution. Belittle all you like, there is only one gun in my house which I will not keep around fully loaded, and that is my one Glock. Wouldnt it be actually quicker to rack the slide than to retrieve your weapon from a locked box? See the old Remingtons. Is it just something one has to get used to? It has good stopping power and it only slightly has more recoil . Just remember, about the only way you can deactivate the safety mechanism is with your finger. This is why. Glocks are designed with internal safety features to prevent accidental discharge. whenever anyone posts on this page: Also, that gun will then give you a second try at any round that fails to fire the first time. You'll want to train yourself one way or the other. Glock then redesigned the weapon as a striker fired weapon because they knew the average low I.Q. always, just got the g23 and after the range it'll be in the rotation with the sigs. My AR is half loaded with the mag in but unchambered. Clinging to God and guns. 29 July 2022 by srnoj. I dont expect hardware (or software) to compensate for a persons stupidity, as opposed to the opinion of many other people who think it should. I carried a 1911 for awhile and the duty holsters made for 1911s have the retaining strap that goes across the back of slide, which also blocks the hammer from firing pin. Two is one, one is none. israeli carry is stupid. Glocks response was to simply make a pistol that was safe without a safety. The S&W EZ has a grip safety and a good trigger pull. One was carrying a single action revolver without a transfer bar safety in a holster, and one under the hammer. The 16 chamber cylinder is specifically a reference to Kevin Costner in Open Range. Nov 11, 2010 (Edited) Dingus said: To gain confidence, do this: Take your G19 and holster to the range. It made me feel extremely uncomfortable. But no self-defense. If waking up to a noise or shadow, I want the piece in my hand as simply and easily as possible, meaning it lays in the headboard. If you want a common username better grab it quick though. A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. The anti-GLOCK crowd and they are nothing if not noisy also raised the objection that since a striker-fired pistol is so easy to discharge (a simple pull of a relatively light trigger) then its inherently dangerous to have those guns in a home with small children. In the 1930's, W.E. to all you sanctimonious what iffers and self styled know it alls out there: One other one was very tragic. Is it Safed to Carry a Glock With one in the Chamber Perhaps if someone drops their gun from two stories up and it lands muzzle down on somebodys head? Go peddle your homosexual fantasies elsewhere. Considering how many types of expanding ammo my plethora of 1911s did not work very well with I gave up on them long ago. Running this way I am even more vigilant about how I handle the gun. Ive been carrying mine daily for five years and will continue to carry it as long as I can. Nice catch. I have for almost 40 years and have it properly holstered. You learned something. If anybody could advise me, I'd be grateful. Only, dumb guys wouldnt understand that. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-1','ezslot_8',113,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-1-0');I do know one engineer who figured out that if it was dropped from 221 feet and it lands on the right angle squarely on its barrel, it could possibly go off, but the bullet would immediately strike the ground and not do much after that. I worry that my flesh pushing against the soft holster will somehow depress that little trigger safety and nudge the trigger back. Is it a lot of work to train to the level where you never get it wrong? Folks, a GLOCK (or any other striker-fired pistol) is perfectly safe with a little intelligence combined with a bit of assiduity. To fire the pistol, the trigger safety and the trigger itself must be deliberately depressed at the same time. 1911s are traditionally carried empty chamber (probably a bad idea) or cocked and locked: hammer cocked and slide mounted safety engaged. They make it look soooo easy in the movies! JavaScript is disabled. The graveyards are full of former motorcycle riders and Glock users. To sum up: there were a few objections to my original post that, on their face, had some truth to them. Each new design improved the handgun and its features. Love the Quigly Down Under reference. In the case of the 43X, the barrel is 87mm or 3.41 inches long. Do you carry with one in the chamber or not? : r/CCW Glock G21 439. at Guns.com. Widen your horizons. So the only downside of the top chamber being empty is one less round available before reloading. For those afraid of carrying cocked and locked or striker-fired guns, the XD-E is a better choice than chamber-empty carry. Of course my Smith .38 has EVERY chamber with a round in it. I keep hearing the words with proper training, like that is the Holy Grail! Risk vs benefit should ALWAYS be a part of this decision. Fuck off gov. When the term "loaded" means a round in the chamber and you need to carry, either open carry or concealed, with an unloaded gun, training to be faster with your draw will be very important. However, it is not unusual for some new to guns like Glocks to be concerned about carrying a round chambered. Heres a news flash, ever since Adam and Eve ate the serpents apple were all fallible. Is It Safe To Carry A Chambered Glock - MonteneGroand Partners It can also affect the speed at which the weapon fires. There are tons of features that make it worth your consideration, starting with its trademark durability and flexibility. People who ride a motorcycle to work know damn well their chances of being seriously hurt in an accident is astronomically higher than driving a Pick up truck to work. While the bad guy is picking up the decoy gun and trying to shoot you with it, you draw your real piece with a round loaded. One in chamber | Glock Forum I forget just how stupid people like you really are your response is so childish and you carry guns I hope you dont blow your face off looking down the end with six letters grow up.